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	<title>Comments on: Actively Managed Superannuation Funds Have Not Had a Stellar Few Years</title>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death duty is the least regressive tax and has the lowest GDP impact. If you look back to the Asprey Tax report in 1975 you can see we only applied it as a light touch and it formed a very small part of the tax base but of coarse it was deeply unpopular (or looking at it upside down an opportunity to gain popularity at a small expense to revenue) and politically the bottom of the harbour tax scheme crowd and the likes of Packer had relatively more clout back then.  If you look at the Asprey committee&#039;s views on it however you can see they are broadly supportive of it.

I raised this some time ago in respect of a defined programme to offset the costs of contributing toward principal reduction for underwater mortgagees (to keep them off the street and contributing what they can to principal payments).  Maybe Obama heard me (and probably not) but he started his programme some months later.  The trouble is that the lenders have to contribute by taking a haircut and marking their balance sheets to market so they have been &quot;losing&quot; the applications.  And yes it is coming to a CBA branch near you and we have to pay for it without having a govt able to launch programmes generated by issuance in the world&#039;s reserve currency.  Like Dan said the other day the AOFM can only sell debt to a limited market and its quality and hence ability to generate demand is determined by how the market views them balancing their budget ... that will be a negative view when the Australian mortgage bubble pops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death duty is the least regressive tax and has the lowest GDP impact. If you look back to the Asprey Tax report in 1975 you can see we only applied it as a light touch and it formed a very small part of the tax base but of coarse it was deeply unpopular (or looking at it upside down an opportunity to gain popularity at a small expense to revenue) and politically the bottom of the harbour tax scheme crowd and the likes of Packer had relatively more clout back then.  If you look at the Asprey committee's views on it however you can see they are broadly supportive of it.</p>
<p>I raised this some time ago in respect of a defined programme to offset the costs of contributing toward principal reduction for underwater mortgagees (to keep them off the street and contributing what they can to principal payments).  Maybe Obama heard me (and probably not) but he started his programme some months later.  The trouble is that the lenders have to contribute by taking a haircut and marking their balance sheets to market so they have been "losing" the applications.  And yes it is coming to a CBA branch near you and we have to pay for it without having a govt able to launch programmes generated by issuance in the world's reserve currency.  Like Dan said the other day the AOFM can only sell debt to a limited market and its quality and hence ability to generate demand is determined by how the market views them balancing their budget ... that will be a negative view when the Australian mortgage bubble pops.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it may well be that all those waiting for their oldies to croak may well be dissappointed and even end up on the floor in snot and tears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it may well be that all those waiting for their oldies to croak may well be dissappointed and even end up on the floor in snot and tears.</p>
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		<title>By: rag</title>
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		<dc:creator>rag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good reply on inherited wealth - so, after reading your response I have to rethink my retirement plan...damn

although I hear that in Germany the children can sue their parents if the parents are not &#039;looking&#039; after their assets properly - that is if the parents start to squander their hard earnt wealth the children can seek legal restraints to stop them - now that is real scarey 

oh well - I think I will buy a block of land, set up a huge solar panel and wind turbine - sell the stuff back to the grid and create retirement income - if the canberra model is adopted in NSW then it has legs...get something from the State than what usually happens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good reply on inherited wealth - so, after reading your response I have to rethink my retirement plan...damn</p>
<p>although I hear that in Germany the children can sue their parents if the parents are not 'looking' after their assets properly - that is if the parents start to squander their hard earnt wealth the children can seek legal restraints to stop them - now that is real scarey </p>
<p>oh well - I think I will buy a block of land, set up a huge solar panel and wind turbine - sell the stuff back to the grid and create retirement income - if the canberra model is adopted in NSW then it has legs...get something from the State than what usually happens</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lachlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it looks like inflation is an issue again but for how long I dont know. You get a Goldman bounce, probably a mile of short covering, a new and powerful spike on the market indexes, the USDX trying to break out on the downside (if that gets out of control we&#039;re in trouble), commodities surging up (look at copper go). But where to from here. Well Ross if Goldman (and the rest of the deflationist crowd) get short as this move runs out of puff, commodities may be forced down again...along with the markets....maybe the dollar to keep grinding. Then maybe Ned you&#039;ll be shown to be right as we get a stagflation...induced by market meddlers. Arrrgh where does it all end. I might just bin all my investments and take the kids fishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it looks like inflation is an issue again but for how long I dont know. You get a Goldman bounce, probably a mile of short covering, a new and powerful spike on the market indexes, the USDX trying to break out on the downside (if that gets out of control we're in trouble), commodities surging up (look at copper go). But where to from here. Well Ross if Goldman (and the rest of the deflationist crowd) get short as this move runs out of puff, commodities may be forced down again...along with the markets....maybe the dollar to keep grinding. Then maybe Ned you'll be shown to be right as we get a stagflation...induced by market meddlers. Arrrgh where does it all end. I might just bin all my investments and take the kids fishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg - I think they&#039;ll find more subtle approaches? And it&#039;s never a favourite of the truly wealthy - Which probably includes a lot of Oz politicians from both sides of the political fence these days. Never say never of course. But I must admit that it would surprise me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg - I think they'll find more subtle approaches? And it's never a favourite of the truly wealthy - Which probably includes a lot of Oz politicians from both sides of the political fence these days. Never say never of course. But I must admit that it would surprise me?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the Ken Henry tax review will raise the issue of an inheritance tax? I would guess the government would love to get their hands on some of the money being handed down from one generation to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Ken Henry tax review will raise the issue of an inheritance tax? I would guess the government would love to get their hands on some of the money being handed down from one generation to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CA, one factor for me is that the market makers led by Goldman are now a smaller tighter group almost unopposed by contrary position holders with the wherewithal leverage in the index trades to challenge their control of asset prices ....  and that the US govt know they have control.  We know that US inflation is feeding in despite unemployment spiking severely.  Goldman shorting commodities and helping to lower inflation might be a win-win too good for them to ignore. So I now see this as a rolling shakedown across all asset classes and am looking for it being brought on one-by-one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA, one factor for me is that the market makers led by Goldman are now a smaller tighter group almost unopposed by contrary position holders with the wherewithal leverage in the index trades to challenge their control of asset prices ....  and that the US govt know they have control.  We know that US inflation is feeding in despite unemployment spiking severely.  Goldman shorting commodities and helping to lower inflation might be a win-win too good for them to ignore. So I now see this as a rolling shakedown across all asset classes and am looking for it being brought on one-by-one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One idea that I can see some sense in is that we&#039;ll see a lot more wealth destruction rag - Over time - As the aging boombers all try to sell off their real assets like stocks and property to support themselves in retirement.

But even if that is incorrect, I think we&#039;ll see a huge amount of wealth dissipation. As opposed to direct wealth distribution from parents to children. Some examples:

Old people are typically retired a long time. And they typically put their money in lower risk and return assets - So inflation eats it. Ken Henry specifically wants that to be the plan for a portion of their super - Force the oldies to buy annuities. But annuities don&#039;t give anything back to the heirs as I understand it?

They often buy properties in fun in the sun lifestyle locations – Not much use to heirs who may well want to stay where they are. Except to sell – And if we see too much of that, the bottom falls out of the fun in the sun lifestyle property market. Which isn&#039;t great for the heirs.

And they sometimes treat themselves to a nice holiday or two and buy camper vans and eventually fancy motorised wheel chairs and other stuff that there is ultimately not much resale value on. Some of them will maybe even use credit early in retirement? And dissipate some wealth that way while they are learning to change the habits of a lifetime.

And I suspect that many of them will find that they haven&#039;t structured their assets very wisely for retirement. So assets will get eaten up by financial advice and legal fees and capital gains tax as they rearrange things.

Then there are the reverse mortgages that the banks make available to ensure that when the oldies croak, the bank owns the house - Rather than the heirs. And the medical profession is on a huge winner in keeping all the old fogies alive for many happy years - Over which time they can progressively remove more of their body parts, and money, from them. As for the possibility that a “wealthy” person (or at least a home owner) might need aged care??? While I really know nothing about it, I did get a large number of results when I googled “aged care accommodation bond sell house”.

I think that on balance the concern is that as the oldies head into retirement, they won&#039;t have enough to see them through. So if they really are going to be starting off from behind the eight ball in that regard, it probably isn&#039;t too realistic to think that after 20 years or more of happy and fulfilled retirement plus a protracted illness or two minimum, that they&#039;ll leave a lot to the heirs? Some truly wealthy ones could - If they choose to do it. But even the comfortably well off stand a very good chance of just seeing their assets dissipate over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea that I can see some sense in is that we'll see a lot more wealth destruction rag - Over time - As the aging boombers all try to sell off their real assets like stocks and property to support themselves in retirement.</p>
<p>But even if that is incorrect, I think we'll see a huge amount of wealth dissipation. As opposed to direct wealth distribution from parents to children. Some examples:</p>
<p>Old people are typically retired a long time. And they typically put their money in lower risk and return assets - So inflation eats it. Ken Henry specifically wants that to be the plan for a portion of their super - Force the oldies to buy annuities. But annuities don't give anything back to the heirs as I understand it?</p>
<p>They often buy properties in fun in the sun lifestyle locations – Not much use to heirs who may well want to stay where they are. Except to sell – And if we see too much of that, the bottom falls out of the fun in the sun lifestyle property market. Which isn't great for the heirs.</p>
<p>And they sometimes treat themselves to a nice holiday or two and buy camper vans and eventually fancy motorised wheel chairs and other stuff that there is ultimately not much resale value on. Some of them will maybe even use credit early in retirement? And dissipate some wealth that way while they are learning to change the habits of a lifetime.</p>
<p>And I suspect that many of them will find that they haven't structured their assets very wisely for retirement. So assets will get eaten up by financial advice and legal fees and capital gains tax as they rearrange things.</p>
<p>Then there are the reverse mortgages that the banks make available to ensure that when the oldies croak, the bank owns the house - Rather than the heirs. And the medical profession is on a huge winner in keeping all the old fogies alive for many happy years - Over which time they can progressively remove more of their body parts, and money, from them. As for the possibility that a “wealthy” person (or at least a home owner) might need aged care??? While I really know nothing about it, I did get a large number of results when I googled “aged care accommodation bond sell house”.</p>
<p>I think that on balance the concern is that as the oldies head into retirement, they won't have enough to see them through. So if they really are going to be starting off from behind the eight ball in that regard, it probably isn't too realistic to think that after 20 years or more of happy and fulfilled retirement plus a protracted illness or two minimum, that they'll leave a lot to the heirs? Some truly wealthy ones could - If they choose to do it. But even the comfortably well off stand a very good chance of just seeing their assets dissipate over time.</p>
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		<title>By: rag</title>
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		<dc:creator>rag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where does inherited wealth come into this equation - what our parents or great aunts leave us = isnt there going to be a wealth distribution from parents to children and why wouldnt we consider this in our retirement equation

and of course each and every one of us has different opportunities givn parents wealth but there will be a distribution [less so now].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where does inherited wealth come into this equation - what our parents or great aunts leave us = isnt there going to be a wealth distribution from parents to children and why wouldnt we consider this in our retirement equation</p>
<p>and of course each and every one of us has different opportunities givn parents wealth but there will be a distribution [less so now].</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee Addict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coffee Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross: I&#039;m also very bearish at the moment.  I&#039;m only holding  because most of my key picks are transitioning into production mode and are being (or will be) repriced on that basis.  I&#039;m also averse to realising tax profits at the moment.

I think we could have some fun managing an abolute return and protection (paraodox intended) fund if friends with a few hundred mil would give us the job! 

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross: I'm also very bearish at the moment.  I'm only holding  because most of my key picks are transitioning into production mode and are being (or will be) repriced on that basis.  I'm also averse to realising tax profits at the moment.</p>
<p>I think we could have some fun managing an abolute return and protection (paraodox intended) fund if friends with a few hundred mil would give us the job! </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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