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	<title>Comments on: Bailout Deal Will Expand China&#8217;s Influence in U.S. Economy</title>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-60121</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure about the AUD, and agree re USD if this is allowed to play in a totally corrupted forex market where fundamentals are there to be trashed by regulators every time some sure play is on.  But the tide will eventually get them and it will start in some obscure corner and all their funny business will tip on top of them.  Here is the AUD debt refunding challenger for 09 http://www.thesheet.com.au/nl05_news_selected.php?act=2&amp;stream=1&amp;selkey=7651&amp;hlc=2&amp;hlw=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure about the AUD, and agree re USD if this is allowed to play in a totally corrupted forex market where fundamentals are there to be trashed by regulators every time some sure play is on.  But the tide will eventually get them and it will start in some obscure corner and all their funny business will tip on top of them.  Here is the AUD debt refunding challenger for 09 <a href="http://www.thesheet.com.au/nl05_news_selected.php?act=2&amp;stream=1&amp;selkey=7651&amp;hlc=2&amp;hlw=" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesheet.com.au/nl05_news_selected.php?act=2&amp;stream=1&amp;selkey=7651&amp;hlc=2&amp;hlw=</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-60088</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Coffee Addict. Happy New Year. Here in Japan people are pretty gloomy about the state of the economy, mind you the Japanese are a cautious mob and so it is hard to get a handle on how bad things really are. The government here is also giving cash handouts and apparently even I will be entitled to a small payout. (about $140)

Anyway I am with you, money is money and not worth getting too worked up about. best to look after your health and keep the family smiling :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Coffee Addict. Happy New Year. Here in Japan people are pretty gloomy about the state of the economy, mind you the Japanese are a cautious mob and so it is hard to get a handle on how bad things really are. The government here is also giving cash handouts and apparently even I will be entitled to a small payout. (about $140)</p>
<p>Anyway I am with you, money is money and not worth getting too worked up about. best to look after your health and keep the family smiling <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Coffee Addict</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-60075</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg.  I guess that neither of our families got a new flat TV from Kevin.  No baby bonus (later in the year) for my wife either.  I  started the year with an untimely trade (on a gold junior) and the air conditioner along with a new microwave oven expired. 

Anyway, money is just money and this will be a great year for my family.

I agree that Rudd and Swan are top order geese.  Encouraging people to sit in front of new TVs will not do anything for local industry (with the possible exception of cardio-vascular healthcare providers).  There is a high probability that all the proposed infrastructure, education and telecomunications initiatives will be mismanaged as well. I&#039;ll leave discussion of this tangent to another day.

I don&#039;t expect the AUD to drop to 50% of the Greenback as predicted by some commentators (my view is that the Greenback will fall by at least 30% against other currencies).  A low AUD will (in any case) keep more Aussies in work than a few extra dollars spent at Harvey Norman.  

What&#039;s the news in Japan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg.  I guess that neither of our families got a new flat TV from Kevin.  No baby bonus (later in the year) for my wife either.  I  started the year with an untimely trade (on a gold junior) and the air conditioner along with a new microwave oven expired. </p>
<p>Anyway, money is just money and this will be a great year for my family.</p>
<p>I agree that Rudd and Swan are top order geese.  Encouraging people to sit in front of new TVs will not do anything for local industry (with the possible exception of cardio-vascular healthcare providers).  There is a high probability that all the proposed infrastructure, education and telecomunications initiatives will be mismanaged as well. I'll leave discussion of this tangent to another day.</p>
<p>I don't expect the AUD to drop to 50% of the Greenback as predicted by some commentators (my view is that the Greenback will fall by at least 30% against other currencies).  A low AUD will (in any case) keep more Aussies in work than a few extra dollars spent at Harvey Norman.  </p>
<p>What's the news in Japan?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-60033</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Australian economy is a bit messy at the moment mainly because the commodities boom wallpapered over some serious cracks. Of course the good old Reserve Bank did not help things my raising rates too far when they should have been trying to grow the Australian economy so it could withstand the global slowdown. Of course the relatively high levels of household debt in Australia is a bit of a concern, a nice new flat screen TV is probably not going to help pay bills or reduce the mortgage. Nonetheless, what did the twits in Canberra urge people to do over Xmas...spend! Goodness me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Australian economy is a bit messy at the moment mainly because the commodities boom wallpapered over some serious cracks. Of course the good old Reserve Bank did not help things my raising rates too far when they should have been trying to grow the Australian economy so it could withstand the global slowdown. Of course the relatively high levels of household debt in Australia is a bit of a concern, a nice new flat screen TV is probably not going to help pay bills or reduce the mortgage. Nonetheless, what did the twits in Canberra urge people to do over Xmas...spend! Goodness me....</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-59540</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kayle.  Every cent of Australian private debt to foreigners is currently either being assumed as sovereign debt on the Reserve Bank balance sheet or is being guaranteed by the Australian government as term bonds get recycled or with new issues by the Australian banks with foreign lenders.  

The guarantee is, at best, worth the difference between the similarly profiled CDS rates and the socialist commander in chief Glenn Steven&#039;s far lower arbitrary rate that would mortify an insurance actuary.   

The Howard government lived in the same and expanded noddy land as Keating in that massive private debt/bonds not being serviced or recycled at term 100% would send us into an immediate 1890 bust and an AUD crashing to far lower levels than the 1980&#039;s banana republic rates.  The &quot;we have always run a CAD and will continue to in the future&quot; is a stupid expectation even in absolute terms and that is before considering the current depth of this as it translates in household debt to income ratio terms, one which is far worse than the minerals boom GDP ratio based measures of national debt and far worse than the US or UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kayle.  Every cent of Australian private debt to foreigners is currently either being assumed as sovereign debt on the Reserve Bank balance sheet or is being guaranteed by the Australian government as term bonds get recycled or with new issues by the Australian banks with foreign lenders.  </p>
<p>The guarantee is, at best, worth the difference between the similarly profiled CDS rates and the socialist commander in chief Glenn Steven's far lower arbitrary rate that would mortify an insurance actuary.   </p>
<p>The Howard government lived in the same and expanded noddy land as Keating in that massive private debt/bonds not being serviced or recycled at term 100% would send us into an immediate 1890 bust and an AUD crashing to far lower levels than the 1980's banana republic rates.  The "we have always run a CAD and will continue to in the future" is a stupid expectation even in absolute terms and that is before considering the current depth of this as it translates in household debt to income ratio terms, one which is far worse than the minerals boom GDP ratio based measures of national debt and far worse than the US or UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-59510</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kayle 

&quot;Australia is by no means debt-free.

Australia&#039;s level of private debt is among the highest in the world.&quot;

I think that it should be kept in mind you can&#039;t blame the Australian government for that. They liberal government did well to rid us of the debt we&#039;d accrued. That balances page in wikipedia shows what I can only assume is privatized and none of which is a direct effect on tax or any burden on society and required revenue generation from our government. The only time the private debt can become a problem as far as I know for direct purposes is if our government has to bail out defaulting companies who possess these borrowings. Also it&#039;s not the governments responsibility to get involved in enterprise and manage how people privately get involved in loans. 

Case in point though, Australia is indirectly unable to generate credit and flush money through the market to stimulate spending. Partly because the private debt is swallowing up the investors as they have to tighten purses because they don&#039;t want to invest during a contraction phase so it doesn&#039;t matter people are spending.

Okay that&#039;s my rant sorry if it got a bit off topic I get like that. Also, just to point out I wasn&#039;t criticizing anything you said it was more expanding on what might mislead some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kayle </p>
<p>"Australia is by no means debt-free.</p>
<p>Australia's level of private debt is among the highest in the world."</p>
<p>I think that it should be kept in mind you can't blame the Australian government for that. They liberal government did well to rid us of the debt we'd accrued. That balances page in wikipedia shows what I can only assume is privatized and none of which is a direct effect on tax or any burden on society and required revenue generation from our government. The only time the private debt can become a problem as far as I know for direct purposes is if our government has to bail out defaulting companies who possess these borrowings. Also it's not the governments responsibility to get involved in enterprise and manage how people privately get involved in loans. </p>
<p>Case in point though, Australia is indirectly unable to generate credit and flush money through the market to stimulate spending. Partly because the private debt is swallowing up the investors as they have to tighten purses because they don't want to invest during a contraction phase so it doesn't matter people are spending.</p>
<p>Okay that's my rant sorry if it got a bit off topic I get like that. Also, just to point out I wasn't criticizing anything you said it was more expanding on what might mislead some.</p>
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		<title>By: Moobi</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-59467</link>
		<dc:creator>Moobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps that is why the American government is now in the position of asking for allowance money from China the way a 15-year old asks for extra money on the weekend. Let&#039;s hope China says yes. Maybe they&#039;ll extend our curfew too.&quot;

The arrangement seems to be between America and China, how did &quot;our curfew&quot; get into there? Sounds like a demogogue who&#039;ll grab the cash but spurn the lender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Perhaps that is why the American government is now in the position of asking for allowance money from China the way a 15-year old asks for extra money on the weekend. Let's hope China says yes. Maybe they'll extend our curfew too."</p>
<p>The arrangement seems to be between America and China, how did "our curfew" get into there? Sounds like a demogogue who'll grab the cash but spurn the lender.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-43706</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks kayle. I am aware of the debt crisis and Steve Keens blog (I am particularly worried about Steve&#039;s poposed solutions to the debt crisis i.e. printing money).

I was talking about govt debt. Sorry for the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks kayle. I am aware of the debt crisis and Steve Keens blog (I am particularly worried about Steve's poposed solutions to the debt crisis i.e. printing money).</p>
<p>I was talking about govt debt. Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/bailout-deal-3412/2008/09/29/comment-page-1/#comment-43677</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that the only reason that the banks are being bailed out without loss of equity is that the international investors that support the American consumption economy may be upset and remove all their funds. Thereby crashing the dollar and the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that the only reason that the banks are being bailed out without loss of equity is that the international investors that support the American consumption economy may be upset and remove all their funds. Thereby crashing the dollar and the US.</p>
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		<title>By: kayle</title>
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		<dc:creator>kayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Steven Shaw

Australia is by no means debt-free.

Australia&#039;s level of private debt is among the highest in the world.

Check Steve Keen&#039;s Oz Debtwatch blog for details on Australia&#039;s dangerous level of private debt. This credit deflation puts our entire credit-based economy at risk.

Or - just glance at Wikipedia&#039;s list of Current Account Balances by country (runs from surplus to deficit).

Out of 164 countries, China is of course first. Japan second, Switzerland is way up there too.

Out of 164 countries, USA is dead last. Spain, UK, and Italy are nos. 161-163, and 160 is - you guessed it - good ol&#039; Australia.

Anyone who thinks we are safe from this global crisis is either lying or deluded.

My currency investments are long yen and swiss franc. Short the dollar and euro; the only way I&#039;d feel safer is if I actually move to Dubai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Steven Shaw</p>
<p>Australia is by no means debt-free.</p>
<p>Australia's level of private debt is among the highest in the world.</p>
<p>Check Steve Keen's Oz Debtwatch blog for details on Australia's dangerous level of private debt. This credit deflation puts our entire credit-based economy at risk.</p>
<p>Or - just glance at Wikipedia's list of Current Account Balances by country (runs from surplus to deficit).</p>
<p>Out of 164 countries, China is of course first. Japan second, Switzerland is way up there too.</p>
<p>Out of 164 countries, USA is dead last. Spain, UK, and Italy are nos. 161-163, and 160 is - you guessed it - good ol' Australia.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks we are safe from this global crisis is either lying or deluded.</p>
<p>My currency investments are long yen and swiss franc. Short the dollar and euro; the only way I'd feel safer is if I actually move to Dubai.</p>
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