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		<title>By: Steppenwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steppenwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article and some interesting points. But I’m not sure if this is China’s first crisis in its economy, since, if we look at the economic and historic facts, we see it&#039;s always been -at least predominantly capitalistic in its economy (the failure of Mao’s “Great Leap” program in the late 1950s could be viewed a sort of its first modern-era capitalist crisis).

The truth is you only need look at Chinese &quot;communist&quot; Party documents, including Mao going back to the post-1949 Revolution period to see that in fact that state capitalism is what it&#039;s always been:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/ma o/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_30.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mao: State capitalism on Building the Economy- Conference on Financial and Economic Framework 1953&lt;/a&gt;

It seems the only major difference now is that it has been made more liberalized and dynamic than the closed economic nationalism of the Maoist era.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/sgabriel/ec onomics/china-essays/18.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China: state capitalism to private capitalism 2003&lt;/a&gt;

In Europe, state capitalism became more significant, as with state-owned services and businesses, in the late 1800s in Europe, denounced by Marx and Engels in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880 /soc-utop/index.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Socialism: Utopian and Scientific&lt;/a&gt; as at best a compromise in the public interest; at worst totalitarianism and fraud.

But it really took off with the consolidation of state bureaucratic cliques in Russia after the 1917 Revolution in accordance with the supposedly transitional state capitalist policies of the first Bolshevik government:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10. 1111/1468-232X.00302?journalCode=irel&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lenin: Industrial Management under a State Capitalist Monopoly Framework&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Progress%20Publishers%20Lenin:%20State%20Capitalism%20During%20the%20Transition%20to%20Socialism&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;rls=SUNA,SUNA:2006-18,SUNA:en&amp;oi=scholart&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Progress Publishers, Moscow; Lenin: State Capitalism During the Transition to Socialism (Index)&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0038-5859(197601)28%3A1%3C66%3ALABOTT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lenin and Bukharin on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism&lt;/a&gt;

The rise of Stalinism, of course, made that &quot;transitional&quot; policy more of less permanent (by mostly brute force and oppression).

As for China, the only part of its economy that can really be described even remotely accurately as communist or even socialist is its huge cooperative/commune movement.

Perhaps this is what China needs more of. We see that in Scandinavia and other European countries, where there is a greater degree of practical socialism (as in cooperatives, labour-sponsored ventures, community-based business and similar democratic economic development), there is a higher standards of living, greater personal and social freedom and greater opportunity and stability.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://progressive-economics.ca/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://progressive-economics.ca/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article and some interesting points. But I’m not sure if this is China’s first crisis in its economy, since, if we look at the economic and historic facts, we see it's always been -at least predominantly capitalistic in its economy (the failure of Mao’s “Great Leap” program in the late 1950s could be viewed a sort of its first modern-era capitalist crisis).</p>
<p>The truth is you only need look at Chinese "communist" Party documents, including Mao going back to the post-1949 Revolution period to see that in fact that state capitalism is what it's always been:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/ma o/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_30.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mao: State capitalism on Building the Economy- Conference on Financial and Economic Framework 1953</a></p>
<p>It seems the only major difference now is that it has been made more liberalized and dynamic than the closed economic nationalism of the Maoist era.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/sgabriel/ec onomics/china-essays/18.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">China: state capitalism to private capitalism 2003</a></p>
<p>In Europe, state capitalism became more significant, as with state-owned services and businesses, in the late 1800s in Europe, denounced by Marx and Engels in <a href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880 /soc-utop/index.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Socialism: Utopian and Scientific</a> as at best a compromise in the public interest; at worst totalitarianism and fraud.</p>
<p>But it really took off with the consolidation of state bureaucratic cliques in Russia after the 1917 Revolution in accordance with the supposedly transitional state capitalist policies of the first Bolshevik government:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10. 1111/1468-232X.00302?journalCode=irel" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Lenin: Industrial Management under a State Capitalist Monopoly Framework</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Progress%20Publishers%20Lenin:%20State%20Capitalism%20During%20the%20Transition%20to%20Socialism&#038;hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;rls=SUNA,SUNA:2006-18,SUNA:en&#038;oi=scholart" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Progress Publishers, Moscow; Lenin: State Capitalism During the Transition to Socialism (Index)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0038-5859(197601)28%3A1%3C66%3ALABOTT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Lenin and Bukharin on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism</a></p>
<p>The rise of Stalinism, of course, made that "transitional" policy more of less permanent (by mostly brute force and oppression).</p>
<p>As for China, the only part of its economy that can really be described even remotely accurately as communist or even socialist is its huge cooperative/commune movement.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is what China needs more of. We see that in Scandinavia and other European countries, where there is a greater degree of practical socialism (as in cooperatives, labour-sponsored ventures, community-based business and similar democratic economic development), there is a higher standards of living, greater personal and social freedom and greater opportunity and stability.</p>
<p><a href="http://progressive-economics.ca/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://progressive-economics.ca/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/china-capitalism/2008/01/31/comment-page-1/#comment-6483</link>
		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you, if he&#039;s so reliant on advisors all the time what are we paying him for? Maybe they&#039;re the same advisors who got the last mob to sell off over  half the countries gold, you remember..... back when was under 300......all those years ago.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you, if he's so reliant on advisors all the time what are we paying him for? Maybe they're the same advisors who got the last mob to sell off over  half the countries gold, you remember..... back when was under 300......all those years ago.....</p>
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