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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought that flicked through my mind Pete is just what happened to Yank house prices back in periods when she was booming (the 1910&#039;s maybe; or the 1950&#039;s maybe - As opposed to the 1930&#039;s and 40&#039;s) - Too much to research I&#039;m afraid. One day maybe ... So many questions; So few answers ... Given that as one wise man said &quot;It is always different!&quot; Hmmm ... Shutup Ned ... I promise not to write anything else until COB Friday when me and Lachlan might chat :) :) :) !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought that flicked through my mind Pete is just what happened to Yank house prices back in periods when she was booming (the 1910's maybe; or the 1950's maybe - As opposed to the 1930's and 40's) - Too much to research I'm afraid. One day maybe ... So many questions; So few answers ... Given that as one wise man said "It is always different!" Hmmm ... Shutup Ned ... I promise not to write anything else until COB Friday when me and Lachlan might chat <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/dollar-is-merely-retreating-in-good-order/2009/10/22/comment-page-1/#comment-110892</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that is the case Ned, then we will have realised 1b).

Debt requires servicing. Large debt requires a lot of servicing. Debt levels will only continue to increase over the longer term if interest rates are falling.

But that is a catch 22. Because if interest rates are falling, the capital required for the debt will be harder to come by.

Perhaps I could coin a term &quot;peak debt&quot;. I doubt i&#039;d be the first though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that is the case Ned, then we will have realised 1b).</p>
<p>Debt requires servicing. Large debt requires a lot of servicing. Debt levels will only continue to increase over the longer term if interest rates are falling.</p>
<p>But that is a catch 22. Because if interest rates are falling, the capital required for the debt will be harder to come by.</p>
<p>Perhaps I could coin a term "peak debt". I doubt i'd be the first though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/dollar-is-merely-retreating-in-good-order/2009/10/22/comment-page-1/#comment-110887</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - One of the thoughts that has gone through my head (amongst lots of others) is that what we are looking at just could be &quot;the new normal&quot; re Oz house prices - State governments reliant on the income from them, C&#039;wealth gov reliant on the CGT and tax turnovers from the building and allied industries, Oz pollies who are way more interested in What could happen to my property portfolio if prices drop than Is it hard for an existing Aussie to get a house, Do existing Aussies have what it takes to compete with new Aussies etc ... Dunno - I&#039;m waiting on Henry to see if he sheds any long term light on any of this. (That&#039;s not my reply to your earlier response - Just a musing in the interim - I find that I learn best by writing my thoughts out. Apologies to all DRA readers that PO&#039;s - I probably should do it in private!!! :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete - One of the thoughts that has gone through my head (amongst lots of others) is that what we are looking at just could be "the new normal" re Oz house prices - State governments reliant on the income from them, C'wealth gov reliant on the CGT and tax turnovers from the building and allied industries, Oz pollies who are way more interested in What could happen to my property portfolio if prices drop than Is it hard for an existing Aussie to get a house, Do existing Aussies have what it takes to compete with new Aussies etc ... Dunno - I'm waiting on Henry to see if he sheds any long term light on any of this. (That's not my reply to your earlier response - Just a musing in the interim - I find that I learn best by writing my thoughts out. Apologies to all DRA readers that PO's - I probably should do it in private!!! <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pete - Appreciate the reply. I&#039;ll chew on it for a while if that is OK - I know I&#039;m not the &quot;sharpest tool in the shop&quot; - Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pete - Appreciate the reply. I'll chew on it for a while if that is OK - I know I'm not the "sharpest tool in the shop" - Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/dollar-is-merely-retreating-in-good-order/2009/10/22/comment-page-1/#comment-110875</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned:
1) The way I see it, either 
a) house prices fall and the market resumes normal operations, or
b) house prices are propped up and Australia becomes an economic abomination that is not a nice place to live.
Either way, I will buy a house to live in, if the price is right. I would even invest in property...if the price was right. At the moment, they could hardly be further from right. Maybe I will be renting for a very long time.

2) I don&#039;t own any gold bullion. 
I &#039;probably&#039; will within approximately 12 months time, assuming things go as I expect.
The exit point for gold is the point at which it either 
a) becomes completely mainstream (not ETF&#039;s, I mean bullion), or
b) at the height of hyperinflation, before another currency is adopted.

c) And option C is some other time that appears convenient. Being too &#039;idealistic&#039; would certainly be a weakness.

I think Australian&#039;s assume that the &quot;Australian Dream&quot; is home ownership. It is not my dream. Homes are nice, but so is financial freedom and flexibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned:<br />
1) The way I see it, either<br />
a) house prices fall and the market resumes normal operations, or<br />
b) house prices are propped up and Australia becomes an economic abomination that is not a nice place to live.<br />
Either way, I will buy a house to live in, if the price is right. I would even invest in property...if the price was right. At the moment, they could hardly be further from right. Maybe I will be renting for a very long time.</p>
<p>2) I don't own any gold bullion.<br />
I 'probably' will within approximately 12 months time, assuming things go as I expect.<br />
The exit point for gold is the point at which it either<br />
a) becomes completely mainstream (not ETF's, I mean bullion), or<br />
b) at the height of hyperinflation, before another currency is adopted.</p>
<p>c) And option C is some other time that appears convenient. Being too 'idealistic' would certainly be a weakness.</p>
<p>I think Australian's assume that the "Australian Dream" is home ownership. It is not my dream. Homes are nice, but so is financial freedom and flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, two questions if I may:
1) Do you have a &quot;Plan B&quot; for home ownership in Oz if house prices here don&#039;t fall significantly (and if so, what is it)? and,
2) Do you have an exit strategy from gold/bullion (and if so what is it)?
Thanks in advance.
(Or telling me to mind my own business is OK too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, two questions if I may:<br />
1) Do you have a "Plan B" for home ownership in Oz if house prices here don't fall significantly (and if so, what is it)? and,<br />
2) Do you have an exit strategy from gold/bullion (and if so what is it)?<br />
Thanks in advance.<br />
(Or telling me to mind my own business is OK too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/dollar-is-merely-retreating-in-good-order/2009/10/22/comment-page-1/#comment-110683</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, people have their positions, the global macro economy is a sea of western debt and now we (govts and people) have to ride our positions.  Savings short term will fuel the deflation, spending or reflating will break fiat currencies.  Today&#039;s VIX follows wheat last week. http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSN2623102820091026

Oil is sharply down. Chaos that central planners can&#039;t control, they are just fighting their corner and looking more like the communist central planning committee at each turning.  They are on the streets protesting against bankers in Chicago today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, people have their positions, the global macro economy is a sea of western debt and now we (govts and people) have to ride our positions.  Savings short term will fuel the deflation, spending or reflating will break fiat currencies.  Today's VIX follows wheat last week. <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSN2623102820091026" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSN2623102820091026</a></p>
<p>Oil is sharply down. Chaos that central planners can't control, they are just fighting their corner and looking more like the communist central planning committee at each turning.  They are on the streets protesting against bankers in Chicago today.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/dollar-is-merely-retreating-in-good-order/2009/10/22/comment-page-1/#comment-110624</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete I agree with your rant :) In many ways debt has led to people becoming more greedy and created a culture where we start to think we &quot;deserve&quot; things rather than have to work for them. 

I have always been worried about the way that equity in a home has been marketed as some sort of cash pool people can use for just about anything.It just sends the wrong message in my opinion, but then again maybe I am just not &quot;hip&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete I agree with your rant <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  In many ways debt has led to people becoming more greedy and created a culture where we start to think we "deserve" things rather than have to work for them. </p>
<p>I have always been worried about the way that equity in a home has been marketed as some sort of cash pool people can use for just about anything.It just sends the wrong message in my opinion, but then again maybe I am just not "hip".</p>
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		<title>By: Ned S</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/dollar-is-merely-retreating-in-good-order/2009/10/22/comment-page-1/#comment-110600</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to live in a mansion. I really like your car. (With BB&#039;s boy saying a while back one of his life ambitions was an attractive blonde wife.) Get yourself a prenup (namely a Binding Financial Agreement aka BFA in Oz.) Just could be the only half decent financial observation I&#039;ve ever made on this site ... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to live in a mansion. I really like your car. (With BB's boy saying a while back one of his life ambitions was an attractive blonde wife.) Get yourself a prenup (namely a Binding Financial Agreement aka BFA in Oz.) Just could be the only half decent financial observation I've ever made on this site ... <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Greg.

I guess my point was that it is easy to say &quot;as long as you manage debt&quot; but I have heard that a lot from people that I am sure cannot manage extremes in debt - such as sharply rising interest rates.

The idea of people &quot;managing debt&quot; with a tolerance of only say 2% is pretty poor in my opinion. And the idea that debt is so great because it gives you the prosperity of the future - right now(!) sounds like pure consumerism to me. I don&#039;t think consumerism should involve debt.

And as you say, when people start to use home equity is when there is trouble. I have spoken to many young people who are overjoyed when their house price goes up...because now they can get it revalued and borrow into the equity. They treat equity like it is their money, yet it is far from it.

Personally I think that debt has allowed consumerism to extravagant degrees...even to the extent that I think many property sales are consumerism too. 

&quot;I&#039;d really like to live in a mansion, and if we pay interest only we can afford it by using 60% of our joint salaries! It&#039;s a dream come true!&quot;. Etc. It doesn&#039;t need to be a mansion to qualify.

And yes, then comes the cars, the boat, the swimming pools, the new furniture, the extravagant renovations, etc.

Incidentally, I keep seeing these ads on TV from &quot;Motor Finance Wizards&quot;. Basically they are saying that no matter who you are, we&#039;ll approve your credit. Unemployed? No problems. And they show some poor bloke with a good looking lass egging him on saying &quot;Wow I love your car&quot;. It is clearly aimed at young adults.

A year or so I saw a news piece where they interviewed some young adults who had bought these fancy new sports cars with all the trimmings. These people had lost their jobs and couldn&#039;t pay off the car. So they had to sell the cars, and then still owed money on them. The rates offered are quite extreme, but young adults (possibly lacking guidance or better judgement) don&#039;t think twice about it.

Anyway, thats my rant. I know there is not much of moral value in the world, but it still seems a shame when you see someone being taken advantage of due to their lack of knowledge. Like the majority of the Australian public for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Greg.</p>
<p>I guess my point was that it is easy to say "as long as you manage debt" but I have heard that a lot from people that I am sure cannot manage extremes in debt - such as sharply rising interest rates.</p>
<p>The idea of people "managing debt" with a tolerance of only say 2% is pretty poor in my opinion. And the idea that debt is so great because it gives you the prosperity of the future - right now(!) sounds like pure consumerism to me. I don't think consumerism should involve debt.</p>
<p>And as you say, when people start to use home equity is when there is trouble. I have spoken to many young people who are overjoyed when their house price goes up...because now they can get it revalued and borrow into the equity. They treat equity like it is their money, yet it is far from it.</p>
<p>Personally I think that debt has allowed consumerism to extravagant degrees...even to the extent that I think many property sales are consumerism too. </p>
<p>"I'd really like to live in a mansion, and if we pay interest only we can afford it by using 60% of our joint salaries! It's a dream come true!". Etc. It doesn't need to be a mansion to qualify.</p>
<p>And yes, then comes the cars, the boat, the swimming pools, the new furniture, the extravagant renovations, etc.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I keep seeing these ads on TV from "Motor Finance Wizards". Basically they are saying that no matter who you are, we'll approve your credit. Unemployed? No problems. And they show some poor bloke with a good looking lass egging him on saying "Wow I love your car". It is clearly aimed at young adults.</p>
<p>A year or so I saw a news piece where they interviewed some young adults who had bought these fancy new sports cars with all the trimmings. These people had lost their jobs and couldn't pay off the car. So they had to sell the cars, and then still owed money on them. The rates offered are quite extreme, but young adults (possibly lacking guidance or better judgement) don't think twice about it.</p>
<p>Anyway, thats my rant. I know there is not much of moral value in the world, but it still seems a shame when you see someone being taken advantage of due to their lack of knowledge. Like the majority of the Australian public for instance.</p>
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