That is exactly the reason. Capitalism is the natural way to go, easy borrowed money to be spent on junk has always been a doom to any society.

Still, raising taxes is not the way to go. Cutting easy credits would be. Raising taxes force 'ordinary' people to borrow more to keep their living standard. But it doesn't take long and many taxpayers go broke. Then, we have high taxes, no motivation to create businesses, everything ends up in a complete mess called 'social welfare'

The politicians will find good reasons to raise taxes anyway. They have to, otherwise a mediocre politician just cannot reign. See here:

http://phreeman.blogspot.com/2008/04/rock-nations-part-1-ruling-by-tax-hikes.html

Yes, you are correct about libraries and roads needing to be "paid for" when "economies" are used. In communes, there is no such thing as "paid for". Those who do voluntary building of libraries, do it, for no wages, in a commune. There are no pricetags on ANYTHING, just repositories, and World Needs TV monitoring the supply levels in those repositories, and asking nicely for volunteers to help when supplies get low... including supplies used to build libraries and roads. Folks work for no wages, because they know, that to working on mankind-helping things, is to work on self... for we're all on the same team. Jean Luc Picard told this to his new friend Lily, in somne Star Trek movie as well. He explained to her WHY the Enterpirse had no cost, as Lily asked about such. Its because they had formed Team Mankind, or bigger yet, Team Earth. We're all on the same spaceship called Earth, so once the crew learns to get along and share supplies, we MIGHT be able to learn to pilot this thing. I think the Great Pyramids are actually for-some-reason-grounded flying machines, and once we get Earth vibes rolling correctly, they will float about 1 foot off the ground, and folks can ride them around the Earth... real slowly. That's "heavy" stuff, and for another discussion, though.

But yes, I'll agree that folks don't HAVE TO use capitalism in the greedy way which they ARE using it. But in the smae breath, it is CAPITALISTS that have cock'n'bulled the world with TWO totally-incorrect statements. First, that competition is healthy. Whelp, that's been proved completely wrong by current health experts. The duress of competing and inequalities, is killing us all, but hopefully only the caps will go down the river when "the meek shall inherit" days arrive. I see that to happen around 2012, and I'm not alone.

The second capitalist-yapping that is totally wrong... "There's nothing wrong with making a good profit". Yikes! Actually, there's a list of about 10,000 things wrong with making a good profit... but mainly, profiting causes inflation.

AND... economies promote rat-racing. So, yes, its not the fault of the economy... that folks rat-race over its AmWay coupons and ownership en-titlepapers... but it is PROMOTED. Anyone "moving up" in a company or society... is called "big shot" and "doing real well" by gossipy deluded parents, and in general, you WILL BE PETTED if you claw and gouge your way up the pyramid towards "set for life" and "finacial freedom"... which are, for most, dreaming the impossible dream. It often takes bloodlines and cronies... to get to "set for life"... and NOBODY is born equal in the USA or world. You're born at the level your parents have rat-raced uip-to on the pyramid scheme of inequality and servitude (capitalism).

Yes, Zac, I am indeed "decrying immoral behavior"... and am trying to get the system eliminated that promotes and condones such. Abolish economies, and the tug-o-wars go away. As loosely stated in a recent previous post, folks have no reason to tug-o-war over requisition forms. They only tug-o-war over money, because it can buy luxuries... and that's because the luxuries are not repositoried and shared. The free marketeer coupons (money) are only fought-over, because such coupons allow people to get addicted to the things found in the AmWay redemption catalog (stores). Economies lead to shopping/enjoyment junkies. So outlaw economies, just like we did cocaine. Easy. Things that cause people to snort and get addicted and stupid therefrom, should be outlawed. They infringe on others' rights.

As far as being realistic, helpful, or practical, per a capitalist's idea of the definitions of those terms... NOT GONNA HAPPEN. We will be getting WAY radical... to save this planet now. Take care, thanks for the comments, keep 'em coming. I learn stuff from every single comment, so thanks!

Wingnut: how are communes more efficient than technological infrastructure? A combine harvesting tractor is much more efficient than a mule, for plowing a field. In turn, that means you can have a much bigger field, and fewer people have to do the backbreaking work of harvesting, planting, sowing, and so on. That sounds like a good thing, to me.

To fuel an RV, unless it's on solar powered batteries, you need to take full advantage of the brutal gun-boat diplomacy that richer nations use to secure markets in poorer nations. Of course, we all live with contradictions in our lives,

Wingnut, you're decrying immoral behavior, not an economic system. True law-of-the-jungle economics is not capitalism. As monopolists and corporatists have taught us, some people will do anything to get ahead, regardless of the cost.

But taking away people's ability to get one-up on each other isn't realistic or helpful. Consider Thomas Jefferson's notion of the gentleman farmer, a philosopher who owns land, grows his own food, and studies all the time. Such an undertaking, especially with 18th century technology, would be extremely difficult at best. How did Jefferson accomplish it? Slaves.

It was good debating with you to the depths of your patience and knowledge, John. We'll miss you. Can I count-on you honoring your claim of being done with the discussion, and to STAY GONE, now?

Sorry if your feelings got hurt with my truth delivery, but I'm only the messenger, not the message. We're in a construction zone here, so steel-toed shoes are needed... to protect little babytoes from being stepped-on.

Notice to intelligent and stalwart posters: Please don't be diswayed by these children... I'd like to continue the discussion ON SUBJECT. Just ignore the noise and weigh the subject as intelligent people do, and bring pertinent issues to the forefront. Please don't go infantile with the infants.

Best regards
Wingnut

Now, there would be NO OWNERSHIP. Should I say it even LOUDER? NO OWNERSHIP!!! So it is NOT "your" house, it belongs to Team Earth (if you MUST have ownershipism or you'll feel naked), or, in effect, it belongs to God. Its made of Earth material, so its owned by "the thing" who made Earth materials. Find out who that is, and maybe you can BUY some with AmWay coupons and pretend you own it. Its not YOUR food, its not YOUR clothes, but it IS your arms... so law enforcement gets involved if you push the sharing thing too far. Just like now, you cannot impinge on the rights of others. Laws ARE in affect, in socialism. In fact, rules-of-conduction laws and co-policing is very "common" in communes and commune-icating systems. Communes have a theme running thru them... and that is... "ALWAYS BE LOVING.... we're all on the same team!".

But there is no "my" this and "my" that, in a commune. It all belongs to "team", just like in the military and in Christian churches, under proper circumstances. Its just like the public library.... which is a perfect socialism. (a text/knowledge repository) A food repository wouldn't be much different, and same with a tour bus repository. If my requisition form has proper justification and substantiation, I can check-out that tourbus for usage, as long as I follow proper care and maintenance rules per FLEET policies of "Team Conveyence" and "Team Roof". I check it out from the repository, often after a bus-training period, just like I would a library book. I'd use a requisition form, just like military socialism. Unlike money, requisitiion forms are handed-out like leafs falling from trees... and are NEVER fought-over. The supply custodians determine whether or not my requisition form has proper mankind-helping justification or not. I'd be headed out to play music and teach Christian socialism, at least til I took a bullet from an angry cap. The bus would also have a serious musical animatronics show built-into it, too, and would teach kids good values, and kids could parade-behind this slow-moving, Sousa playing hoopla machine as I visited small towns in America, making people giggle and dance and think about pyramids and servitude-avoidance. Would that be enough justification to allow me to have/work-WITH that tourbus? Only the custodians of the bus repository... would be able to determine that. It actually depends upon whether we've got the world's humans, plants, and animals, fed, housed, and healthy, yet... because ALWAYS... in a proper commune... world health comes first... before entertainment/luxuries. Maybe I'd have to teach socialism full time, instead of playing music or doing animatronics amongst. Maybe I could mix it within. Who knows? I'd have to present my case to the bus custodians and see what they (who represent the people of the world) say. If they were smart people and kept priorities in mind, I'd surely honor their decision.

Furthermore, you're proposing abolishing ownership. Ownership of what?

Houses? So someone can just walk in and out of your hosue as they please whenever they please and you have no say over it?

Cars? So someone can just get into your parked car whenever they please and drive away?

Food? So someone can take that snack you packed for lunch and just eat it whenever they please, leaving you hungry?

Clothes? So someone can just walk by and tear your clothes off whenever they want, and there's nothing you can do about it?

Your own body? Can someone cut off your arms, rape you, etc...? After all, it's their body as much as it is yours, since you don't "own" it...

In the world of weighing/choosing human and Earth survival systems, I and others WILL investigate, scrutinize, and fully fold, spindle, and mutilate things, until the TRUTH comes out. Things are weighed, and weighed, and discussed some more, and measured, and weighed some more, and a DECSION IS made, a result gotten, based upon WHICH THING IS BETTER FOR MANKIND/EARTH. "Better is the hard part, but there won't be any ATD done there, either. When it comes to shoving people into the mud and under the overpasses with a survival system, there won't be any coddle'n'nurture-junkied Stuart Smally kind of outcome. I am SO against ATD that I would personally sink it in a tar pit if it was a sinkable thing. ATD gets absolutely nothing done... its been seen to do that EVERY TIME. Nope, I'm a grind-it and weigh-it kind of person, and gruesomely despise ATD air-biscuits. Sorry, no personal offense, of course. ATD is just like that complacency prayer thing... God grant me the abilities to not give a crap about anything I don't feel like giving a crap about, and the wisdom to live with severe blinders-on, etc etc. Just sick coddle-nurture goo-goo gah-gah girlie crap, like what we see on USA TV these days. Girlie girlie magazine shows... opinions... from the girls. Everything became "The View" fat-butt girlie-shopping and eating talk. YIKES! Nope, we need a bit more MANLY approach to this... as its like parenting the kids. There won't be any ATD going-on when your child gets caught doing his/her first shoplifting. Its weighed, and decisions made, and nothing shrugful will be seen. I HATE ATD... as you can tell. Nope, full investigations to gruesome conclusions... beats shrugging-off weighings via ATD any day of the week, sorry. We're the MaStars... and we chase scared little children right up into the haylofts... when they run from facing-up to music. ATD can only work when there isn't a felony going-on. When there is, us Elliot Ness-type folk BUST IT... as such things are illegal and planet-harming. We don't agree-to-disagree as far as MURDER being a good/bad thing, do we? Then don't expect it within discussions of capitalism.... as its every bit a murdering machine. We now continue past the ATD attempt to roadblock further discussions and weighings. Such roadblocks will always be mowed down... as we don't do coddle'n'nurture junkies in this discussion.

Best regards
Wingnut