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	<title>Comments on: Irving Fisher Has Come Back Into Fashion</title>
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		<title>By: Charles  Norville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Norville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are better formulas that consider sustainability.  The only real formula for capitalism is Monopoly = Greed, where the bi product is the underclass of people.  Yet the US hold Keynes up as a God.

My thoughts on the process go to natural order of things - the  energy &amp; materials per capita ratio.  Which means that to have an affluent world you are going to have the average such ratio that gives also sustainability.  Look at China&#039;s ratio despite its output it is clearly unsustainable because of the size of their population and pollution of its land affecting the poor and new middle class. 

My belief is that nanotechnolgy will make the cost of labour irrelevant and so new currency value could be set against the energy-materials per capita ratio, ie populous countries will be poorer because nanotechnology needs essentially only two things energy and  materials, not labour.

This is radical I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are better formulas that consider sustainability.  The only real formula for capitalism is Monopoly = Greed, where the bi product is the underclass of people.  Yet the US hold Keynes up as a God.</p>
<p>My thoughts on the process go to natural order of things - the  energy &amp; materials per capita ratio.  Which means that to have an affluent world you are going to have the average such ratio that gives also sustainability.  Look at China's ratio despite its output it is clearly unsustainable because of the size of their population and pollution of its land affecting the poor and new middle class. </p>
<p>My belief is that nanotechnolgy will make the cost of labour irrelevant and so new currency value could be set against the energy-materials per capita ratio, ie populous countries will be poorer because nanotechnology needs essentially only two things energy and  materials, not labour.</p>
<p>This is radical I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when economists try to be real scientists and start putting together equations :) (as basic as they are)

If an equation or theory works for a while everyone is happy, if it stops working it is buried, but years later if it looks like it might be applicable again it is dusted off and given a another run.

I think we can forget all the economic mumbo jumbo because we know until the consumer starts spending again things are unlikely to improve. (and you can probably come up with a few dozen equations to reflect that truism) The question is what will &quot;really&quot; get the consumer spending again? This is probably quite difficult to answer as I suspect is varies depending on income levels,location, age etc.

Any ideas anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when economists try to be real scientists and start putting together equations <img src='http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (as basic as they are)</p>
<p>If an equation or theory works for a while everyone is happy, if it stops working it is buried, but years later if it looks like it might be applicable again it is dusted off and given a another run.</p>
<p>I think we can forget all the economic mumbo jumbo because we know until the consumer starts spending again things are unlikely to improve. (and you can probably come up with a few dozen equations to reflect that truism) The question is what will "really" get the consumer spending again? This is probably quite difficult to answer as I suspect is varies depending on income levels,location, age etc.</p>
<p>Any ideas anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the velocity threat is why they will eventually either monetise their way to disaster or bring in death duty as the source of funds to bail out the consumer and banks ie: to refloat both demand and supply respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the velocity threat is why they will eventually either monetise their way to disaster or bring in death duty as the source of funds to bail out the consumer and banks ie: to refloat both demand and supply respectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating article. What causes the lack of confidence? In my view, its lack of trust in the legal framework. Any economic system, whatever it may be, needs to be underpinned by an honest and fair legal system. Young people (especially young men) do not trust the legal system, because it is completely corrupted. Have you ever heard anyone say anything nice about a lawyer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article. What causes the lack of confidence? In my view, its lack of trust in the legal framework. Any economic system, whatever it may be, needs to be underpinned by an honest and fair legal system. Young people (especially young men) do not trust the legal system, because it is completely corrupted. Have you ever heard anyone say anything nice about a lawyer?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem with reduced velocity of money is not a lack of confidence per se, but governments pushing prevailing interest rates (temporarily) below equilibrium. This has the effect of risk of loans (risk of default) being greater than reward (interest earned). Banks/financiers are simply making a rational decision and refusing to lend at present artificially low interest rates. If interest rates were allowed to rise to equilibrium lending would recommence. Unfortunately western Govts cannot allow this as would cause implosion of overly leveraged consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem with reduced velocity of money is not a lack of confidence per se, but governments pushing prevailing interest rates (temporarily) below equilibrium. This has the effect of risk of loans (risk of default) being greater than reward (interest earned). Banks/financiers are simply making a rational decision and refusing to lend at present artificially low interest rates. If interest rates were allowed to rise to equilibrium lending would recommence. Unfortunately western Govts cannot allow this as would cause implosion of overly leveraged consumer.</p>
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