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	<title>Comments on: Russians Can Cut Off Natural Gas to Europe Anytime They Want</title>
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		<title>By: RobRoy</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/natural-gas-russia/2008/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-39311</link>
		<dc:creator>RobRoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Charles, if Russia dumps the USD and turns off the oil tap then the USD buys not a zack.  All of a sudden your USD GDP meaures go out the window. And an isolated Russia can survive better than just about any other sovereign state on this planet. After the US accounts its global warrior sized deficit, its household liabilities, its healthcare and its retirement benefits; then without the SWF&#039;s and central banks continuing to suck up those US treasuries you have one very poor backwater indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Charles, if Russia dumps the USD and turns off the oil tap then the USD buys not a zack.  All of a sudden your USD GDP meaures go out the window. And an isolated Russia can survive better than just about any other sovereign state on this planet. After the US accounts its global warrior sized deficit, its household liabilities, its healthcare and its retirement benefits; then without the SWF's and central banks continuing to suck up those US treasuries you have one very poor backwater indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gasp</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/natural-gas-russia/2008/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-39055</link>
		<dc:creator>Gasp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t discount Russian power. They have massive power in relation to energy and military capability. They still control thousands of ICBM warheads capable of levelling anyone on Earth. They control massive amounts of gas through pipelines to Europe. Europe can not simply &quot;buy&quot; gas from an alternative source as the pipeline infrastructure is not in place. As chairman Mao once said &quot;All power comes out of the barrel of a gun&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't discount Russian power. They have massive power in relation to energy and military capability. They still control thousands of ICBM warheads capable of levelling anyone on Earth. They control massive amounts of gas through pipelines to Europe. Europe can not simply "buy" gas from an alternative source as the pipeline infrastructure is not in place. As chairman Mao once said "All power comes out of the barrel of a gun".</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia may be weak, but if I am going to get into a fight with someone much bigger than myself. I want them drugged and hog tied - just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia may be weak, but if I am going to get into a fight with someone much bigger than myself. I want them drugged and hog tied - just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/natural-gas-russia/2008/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-38249</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that key to Russia&#039;s strength is it&#039;s resources. Prices are set to increase over the next 5+yrs, giving Russia a more powerful stance over Europe and USA which it sells oil/gas to. USA GPD is much larger than that of Russia, this is obvious! But take into account the USA falling into recession, real inflation is not under control, which can only be solved by increasing the FRB rate to levels not seen in 30yrs. I know this a powerful and scary statement - the USA has no way to avoid a major financial crash. In fact if rates are left low at below around 4% and money &amp; credit are dispersed into the institutions and public. Inflation could well go far higher, which would require much higher interest rates to cool. Simply the 7 times spend rate cannot be maintained; Obama could make some serious cuts to military binge spending!?

My point is this: higher commodities 
= Stronger Russia
= Weaker Europe zone
= Much weaker USA including military (a net consumer)
= Stronger Australia
= Stronger Canada
= Stronger Middle Eastern area

Also the added fact that Russia has a lot of US dollars in reserve, enough to influence the market (manipulate would be more correct but most major governments are doing this to their own currency for over the last 100yrs). In effect dumping the currency into the open market could hamstrung the world&#039;s largest economy (the bigger they are the faster they fall). If in this theory this happens a domino effect could result with other much larger holdings of USD being dumped on the market, causing panic in the market place.

I personally believe that Russia know USA is becoming weaker; the communists are capitalising on this and will try to rebuild an empire for trade purposes. USA has done this over the last 90yrs and has become it own worst enemy.

A pivotal fact is the USA are threaten the great bear with trade sanctions! USA placed tariffs on Japan in the 30’s; simply USA removed the supply of oil to Japan. The making of world warII, at that time USA was a producer! Using it as leverage to build its empire. Is it communist Russia&#039;s or communist China&#039;s turn for world trade? China has been very quiet over this conflict! What do they think?? The power is shifting.

USA has very little that is sustainable to negotiate with. What does Russia have? How about China? 

Please keep in mind that this will not mean the end of the world! Day will still follow night, we will still wake up and work, there will still be conflict and there will still be peace.

COULD HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF??

History will reveal all.

MW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that key to Russia's strength is it's resources. Prices are set to increase over the next 5+yrs, giving Russia a more powerful stance over Europe and USA which it sells oil/gas to. USA GPD is much larger than that of Russia, this is obvious! But take into account the USA falling into recession, real inflation is not under control, which can only be solved by increasing the FRB rate to levels not seen in 30yrs. I know this a powerful and scary statement - the USA has no way to avoid a major financial crash. In fact if rates are left low at below around 4% and money &amp; credit are dispersed into the institutions and public. Inflation could well go far higher, which would require much higher interest rates to cool. Simply the 7 times spend rate cannot be maintained; Obama could make some serious cuts to military binge spending!?</p>
<p>My point is this: higher commodities<br />
= Stronger Russia<br />
= Weaker Europe zone<br />
= Much weaker USA including military (a net consumer)<br />
= Stronger Australia<br />
= Stronger Canada<br />
= Stronger Middle Eastern area</p>
<p>Also the added fact that Russia has a lot of US dollars in reserve, enough to influence the market (manipulate would be more correct but most major governments are doing this to their own currency for over the last 100yrs). In effect dumping the currency into the open market could hamstrung the world's largest economy (the bigger they are the faster they fall). If in this theory this happens a domino effect could result with other much larger holdings of USD being dumped on the market, causing panic in the market place.</p>
<p>I personally believe that Russia know USA is becoming weaker; the communists are capitalising on this and will try to rebuild an empire for trade purposes. USA has done this over the last 90yrs and has become it own worst enemy.</p>
<p>A pivotal fact is the USA are threaten the great bear with trade sanctions! USA placed tariffs on Japan in the 30’s; simply USA removed the supply of oil to Japan. The making of world warII, at that time USA was a producer! Using it as leverage to build its empire. Is it communist Russia's or communist China's turn for world trade? China has been very quiet over this conflict! What do they think?? The power is shifting.</p>
<p>USA has very little that is sustainable to negotiate with. What does Russia have? How about China? </p>
<p>Please keep in mind that this will not mean the end of the world! Day will still follow night, we will still wake up and work, there will still be conflict and there will still be peace.</p>
<p>COULD HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF??</p>
<p>History will reveal all.</p>
<p>MW</p>
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		<title>By: watcher7</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/natural-gas-russia/2008/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-38129</link>
		<dc:creator>watcher7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* The Economist, How to contain Russia, economist.com, August 21, 2008:

There is no quick fix, but an over-confident Russia is weaker than it looks...

The wider aims with which Russia is presumed to have entered Georgia have not yet been achieved, however. They include toppling its pro-American president, Mikheil Saakashvili, and using intimidation to stop Georgia and Ukraine from following the Poles, Czechs, Balts and other former dominions of the Soviet Union into the orbit of the West and thence into NATO. If it pursues sound policies, the West still stands a fair chance, despite its divisions, of thwarting these aims. 

Sound policy starts with a sense of proportion. Contrary to some excitable first reactions, Russia’s ability to crush the minuscule Georgian army does not make it a superpower, and its aggression in the Caucasus need not mark the start of a new cold war. To put things in perspective, America’s GDP is ten times bigger than Russia’s and it spends at least seven times more on defence. Russia’s economy would fall off a cliff if energy prices slumped and its population, racked by ill-health and inequality, is shrinking by up to 800,000 a year. Russia can make mischief, but it cannot project military and ideological power all around the world, as the Soviet Union did during the cold war. Although it scares some neighbours (but not the Chinese), its threats make them all the more determined to stay on guard. It is surely no coincidence that after months of prevarication the Poles agreed immediately after Russia invaded Georgia to let America base missile defences (ostensibly against a future threat from Iran) on Polish territory. 

To say that Russia’s strength is exaggerated is not to say that it should be allowed to escape its Georgian adventure unpunished. A weak power can be more reckless than a strong one. Russia needs to learn that in spite of their own enervating foreign wars and economic worries the members of the Western alliance can still unite in front of a challenge. But because Russia is fundamentally less strong than it likes to pretend, the West’s response can afford to be patient as well as principled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* The Economist, How to contain Russia, economist.com, August 21, 2008:</p>
<p>There is no quick fix, but an over-confident Russia is weaker than it looks...</p>
<p>The wider aims with which Russia is presumed to have entered Georgia have not yet been achieved, however. They include toppling its pro-American president, Mikheil Saakashvili, and using intimidation to stop Georgia and Ukraine from following the Poles, Czechs, Balts and other former dominions of the Soviet Union into the orbit of the West and thence into NATO. If it pursues sound policies, the West still stands a fair chance, despite its divisions, of thwarting these aims. </p>
<p>Sound policy starts with a sense of proportion. Contrary to some excitable first reactions, Russia’s ability to crush the minuscule Georgian army does not make it a superpower, and its aggression in the Caucasus need not mark the start of a new cold war. To put things in perspective, America’s GDP is ten times bigger than Russia’s and it spends at least seven times more on defence. Russia’s economy would fall off a cliff if energy prices slumped and its population, racked by ill-health and inequality, is shrinking by up to 800,000 a year. Russia can make mischief, but it cannot project military and ideological power all around the world, as the Soviet Union did during the cold war. Although it scares some neighbours (but not the Chinese), its threats make them all the more determined to stay on guard. It is surely no coincidence that after months of prevarication the Poles agreed immediately after Russia invaded Georgia to let America base missile defences (ostensibly against a future threat from Iran) on Polish territory. </p>
<p>To say that Russia’s strength is exaggerated is not to say that it should be allowed to escape its Georgian adventure unpunished. A weak power can be more reckless than a strong one. Russia needs to learn that in spite of their own enervating foreign wars and economic worries the members of the Western alliance can still unite in front of a challenge. But because Russia is fundamentally less strong than it likes to pretend, the West’s response can afford to be patient as well as principled.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/natural-gas-russia/2008/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-38119</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If in fact Russia has a smaller economy that California&#039;s (not so sure about that!!), then wouldn&#039;t it be worth noting that Russia&#039;s GPD is more production than consumption. Which can&#039;t be said for California. I have the feeling that Bill is making the point that if push comes to shove Russia has the cards, a very strong point believe it or not. Russia is a country of wealth, It is important to note that the measure of wealth is how long an entity can remain functional while having no positive cash flow. The clout of the Russian army should not be under estimated, and Europe has always been weak. in recend years big brother USA has been babying them, very few leaders in Europe or USA have the ability to influence Russia. Politically Europe are in bed with USA. Which as far as Russia are concerned is like a mate who is bagging. History proves that when there is a shift of power the certainty is uncertaintly, while leading power is weakening someone is getting stronger. Power is not always abused, well we would like to hope that is true.

Always take into account History.....It is the measure of tomorrow! what tommorrow brings is the rise of the sun, another few 10,000 new borns, another lie, another tear, another smile and another laugh. But for all that can happen will some day, in the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If in fact Russia has a smaller economy that California's (not so sure about that!!), then wouldn't it be worth noting that Russia's GPD is more production than consumption. Which can't be said for California. I have the feeling that Bill is making the point that if push comes to shove Russia has the cards, a very strong point believe it or not. Russia is a country of wealth, It is important to note that the measure of wealth is how long an entity can remain functional while having no positive cash flow. The clout of the Russian army should not be under estimated, and Europe has always been weak. in recend years big brother USA has been babying them, very few leaders in Europe or USA have the ability to influence Russia. Politically Europe are in bed with USA. Which as far as Russia are concerned is like a mate who is bagging. History proves that when there is a shift of power the certainty is uncertaintly, while leading power is weakening someone is getting stronger. Power is not always abused, well we would like to hope that is true.</p>
<p>Always take into account History.....It is the measure of tomorrow! what tommorrow brings is the rise of the sun, another few 10,000 new borns, another lie, another tear, another smile and another laugh. But for all that can happen will some day, in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/natural-gas-russia/2008/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-38061</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh we do get carried away. Russia has an economy smaller than Spain&#039;s which is smaller than California&#039;s. Both parties where stupid, unfortunately for Russia, in the long run Russia will suffer for it. Europe will pay a premium for gas from elsewhere ( or if you like a discount to Russia), the war in Iraq has cost USA, the war in Georgia will cost Russia. Military power isn&#039;t as handy as it used to be.

A long cold winter in Europe would result in a very long fiscal drought in Russia, as it is, the level of profit will be reduced, this will remind Russia for a long while that what they did was a little stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh we do get carried away. Russia has an economy smaller than Spain's which is smaller than California's. Both parties where stupid, unfortunately for Russia, in the long run Russia will suffer for it. Europe will pay a premium for gas from elsewhere ( or if you like a discount to Russia), the war in Iraq has cost USA, the war in Georgia will cost Russia. Military power isn't as handy as it used to be.</p>
<p>A long cold winter in Europe would result in a very long fiscal drought in Russia, as it is, the level of profit will be reduced, this will remind Russia for a long while that what they did was a little stupid.</p>
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