Comments on: Waxman-Markey Bill: Most Expensive Thing to Hit Economy Since Financial Crisis Began

By: fromhouston

fromhouston — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:44:21 +0000

Nice post Nic M. and a very plausible, if not believable, explanation of how our climate works. It's idiots like Tim M. in Australia that allow the tax & spend politcos into office where they can legislate us all into poverty and back to the farm. These power hungry elitist need the 'Tim M. from Australias' of the world because they're such damn gullible, tree hugging idiots.

Buy a Prius. More gas for me!

By: Biker Pete

Biker Pete — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:08:30 +0000

Riding around the world, we take a break at _every_ glacier. The most interesting are those which have years (like 1832) signposted on the roadside kilometres before you reach the glacier, showing where the glacier was 180 or so years ago. As you approach the glacier(s) it's obviously that 'the melt' is progressing infinitely more quickly than in the past century or even decade. On our own property, our creek, which experienced a dry spell for a month or two twenty years ago, is now bone dry for five months of the year. My father's thirty years of daily weather recording showed that summers in our area are later and longer. Dad used that info to 'time the market', planting his watermelons so that they'd hit the Perth markets on the very hottest days, maxing the price per kilo. It worked pretty precisely, most of the time. We can't deny that climate is changing. Already we've noted that it appears our citrus benefit from hotter weather in the south west. It seems to us we now have weather patterns akin those 300 km further north twenty years ago. This may mean our plan to farm Barra in a 30,000 gallon tank, for home and friends' consumption, may actually work. Despite that hope, it's hard to see too many positive outcomes from climate change.

By: Dan

Dan — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:16:07 +0000

Global warming is very complex (or Climate Change.. which saves face in case global warming doesn't turn out to be as big as it is touted). We are not an isolated system, and the Earth's temperature is influenced by incident radiation (solar activity) and geothermal activity. In the middle there is the atmosphere which has a comparatively low heat capacity. Why people think that CO2 is the be-all and end-all of temperature shifts is beyond me, but it's a very simplistic view. People worship science as a source of indisputable truth, but it's only when you start applying it yourself that you notice the limitations. Medicine is a great example of this - our understanding of something so apparently basic as 'fever' is still very rudimentary and theoretical, after all this time. And human beings are easier to study than a planet. Keep an open mind, guys.

By: Nic Meredith

Nic Meredith — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:45:27 +0000

Water - not air - holds the vast balance of heat on this planet. I go to bed with a hot water bottle filled with hot water - not hot co2. On a hot day, the water at the beach is colder than the air ........on a cold day, warmer and the water steams. This is a water planet. Average humidity means that there is 10 feet of water in the air above our heads. CO2 is only a trace gas. The heat flows in the oceans drive climate, for example El nino, La Nina or north Atlantic currents making England warm.
Heat rises, the oceans get hot from radiation from the sun. So how can the atmosphere let alone co2, drive climate. Co2 builds living matter.Politicians have had the war on this and that .......now the war on life in the name of saving the planet. No Co2 equals nothing living....at all!

Breathing taxes anybody......mercury filled 'eco friendly bulbs'?

By: Lachlan

Lachlan — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:03:34 +0000

CO2 is not causing global warming.

By: rick e

rick e — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:38:19 +0000

Listen I believe something should be done about climate change
However replacing coal with gas for substations = the same
Methane gas is still toxic by how much you say.
Battery cars you say, yes plug them in when you get home =still using substations
How about nuclear power stations that’s it pass the buck I’m sure some one in the future can figure out how to get rid of it safely
Yes you say at least we are doing some thing.

For years now
We can go to mars
We can do micro surgery
We build nuclear bombs since the 50ts

There is also hydrogen car with combustion engine and hydrogen electric car
You say it is hard to extract it and can cost just as much to produce.
Yes we have to start some where lets not go around in circles though

Please only constructive criticism is welcome
We can all wine but remember you’re the one who is
“really getting sick and tired’”
Not me I am well thanks

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:02:17 +0000

Tim

I agree - the worst sort of right-wing ideological idiocy.

By: Tim

Tim — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:05:41 +0000

I am really getting sick and tired of the DR's egregious show of ignorance on anything climate change.

This article is replete with such examples of this ignorance but worse of tired and worn delayer and denier tactics to try and avoid changing.

This is happening. Deal with it. The sooner you do that, the sooner you can profit from it. And save the world.

No healthy planet = no business.

Capice?
Jeez, this is grade 2 logic, seriously.

Tim M | Australia

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:51:18 +0000

the real trick seems to be how to suck greenhouse gases back out of the atmosphere and convert to some benign form - the means biological presumably

By: Jon Bain

Jon Bain — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:27:47 +0000

kfa, ange, those were my words!
word thiefs!