What the ‘Price’ is Saying About Iron Ore and Gold


Good news for stocks in the US last night, with both retail sales and employment data disappointing. Retail sales fell 0.4% in January and a revised 0.1% in December, while jobless claims unexpectedly rose too.

How is that good for stocks, you ask? It means more monetary sugar for longer. At least that is what the market is punting on. Actually, it’s what the market has solely punted on for years. All the chips are on red…or black…or whatever. It’s a bet on more asset price inflation.

Meanwhile, the world’s second largest economy is on the verge of a major credit deflation, a fact the developed markets continue to wilfully ignore. Why are they ignoring it? As we mentioned earlier this week, it appears as though ‘core’ stock markets are benefiting from safe haven capital flows as hot money exits the rapidly cooling emerging markets.

But there will be no safe haven from the looming deflation of the biggest emerging market of all – China. The world is too globalised and interconnected. The precursor to nearly all credit bubble deflations is higher interest rates, and you’re seeing that in China now.

The chart below shows the 3-month interbank rate of interest. It spiked higher in December and stayed there. This reflects the determination of The People’s Bank of China (PBoC) to get China’s credit boom under control. Whether it can actually do so is another question.


Higher interest rates certainly will slow things down, but it will also highlight the hundreds of billions of malinvestment made in China in recent years. You should hope the PBoC get this right. The system is too big for it to lose control.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, writing for the Telegraph in London, says:

‘What is clear is that we are dealing with a credit expansion of unprecedented scale, equal in size to the US and Japanese banking systems combined. The outcome may matter more for the world than anything that the US Federal Reserve does over coming months under Janet Yellen, well signalled in any case.’

But the big issue is how tighter credit in China could transmit to the rest of the world.

The transmission channel to the global banking system is through Hong Kong and Macao. Beijing’s credit squeeze is causing a scramble for off-shore dollar credit to plug the gap. It is this that keeps global regulators awake at night, for foreign currency loans to Chinese companies have jumped from $270bn to an estimated $1.1 trillion since 2009.

The Bank for International Settlements says dollar loans have been growing "very rapidly and may give rise to substantial financial stability risks", enough to send tremors across the world.

Just to be clear on how this works, attempts to slow credit growth aren’t working so far because foreign currency inflows are filling the gap. It’s thought that businesses are borrowing cheap US dollar loans via Hong Kong and ploughing the proceeds into short-term, high-yielding wealth management products.

But it’s not all bad news. Not yet anyway. Profit results in Australia have been decent so far and profits and profitability are what drives the stock market. Our only quibble is that stocks are not pricing in a skerrick of the rapidly rising and considerable risk in the economy of our largest trading partner.

Take ‘diversified’ miner Rio Tinto for example. It reported a much improved annual result, with cost cutting proving the feature. Underlying earnings hit US$10.2 billion for 2013. But it was all thanks to the iron ore division which contributed underlying earnings of US$9.86 billion.

Rio looks well priced, trading on about 10 times 2014 expected earnings. But rapidly declining iron ore prices will severely damage those expectations. It reminds us of the way the market priced the homebuilders in the US prior to housing bust.

The largest builders all traded on single-digit price earnings (PE) ratios. Were they cheap, or a value trap? Clearly they turned out to be very big value traps. If you look at the big iron ore miners today, they’ll all trading on low to single-digit PEs. Fortescue for example trades around five times 2014 expected earnings.

Value or value trap?

We think the latter, but who really knows? What we do know however is that at resource cycle peaks and troughs the market is pretty consistent at how it prices companies. For example, at the bottom of the cycle many companies will look expensive based on forward estimates because analysts are not anticipating higher future profits. They always upgrade profit expectations well after the cycle has turned.

At cycle peak, however, company’s trade on low PEs for the very same reason. Analyst profit expectations remain robust out into the future, as they don’t anticipate the cycle turn…they only follow it down.

With that in mind, consider that Australia’s largest goldminer, Newcrest, is trading on a forward PE of around 28 times, while Fortescue is on five times.

Is that the market giving you a pretty good indication of where the respective cycles are right now for iron ore and gold? We think it is.


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slewie the pi-rat
slewie the pi-rat
2 years 8 months ago

you mean, China isn’t just displaying some fast-as-lightning fancy kung-fu can-kicking to destroy the US Dollar, wipe out Treasuries, and establish the Yuan as the master-currency of global trade?

Justin King
Justin King
2 years 8 months ago

Considering that the markets are backasswards and upside down, what other play is there besides gold in one form or another.
Keep it flowing, Greg.
Great stuff.

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